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	<title>Comments on: SiCKO &#038; MooreWatch.com</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dino Delellis</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-160276</link>
		<dc:creator>Dino Delellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well , I my case there are things that Michael Moore believes in that I both agree and disagree. 

And I agree , I think he uses sensationalist journalism to attract more  people into watching his documentaries , maybe he does this  because if he uses a more realistic ( and unfortunately more staid) format people might think its boring and will not be interested in watching this.

And maybe because its based on his POV it becomes a bit one sided because it will ultimately favor the side of the argument he's on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well , I my case there are things that Michael Moore believes in that I both agree and disagree. </p>
<p>And I agree , I think he uses sensationalist journalism to attract more  people into watching his documentaries , maybe he does this  because if he uses a more realistic ( and unfortunately more staid) format people might think its boring and will not be interested in watching this.</p>
<p>And maybe because its based on his POV it becomes a bit one sided because it will ultimately favor the side of the argument he&#8217;s on.</p>
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		<title>By: ryosaeba</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-128648</link>
		<dc:creator>ryosaeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Falconish</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-128601</link>
		<dc:creator>Falconish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wat</p>
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		<title>By: ryosaeba</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-127884</link>
		<dc:creator>ryosaeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can tell this because 90% of your post is inciting class warfare and whining about capitalism and you see oppression everywhere EXCEPT in socialism/communism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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really? you can read and speak indonesian language too?
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remember, "a thousand lies never equal truth." :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can tell this because 90% of your post is inciting class warfare and whining about capitalism and you see oppression everywhere EXCEPT in socialism/communism.</p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
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really? you can read and speak indonesian language too?<br />
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remember, &#8220;a thousand lies never equal truth.&#8221; <img src='http://harry.sufehmi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Falconish</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-127800</link>
		<dc:creator>Falconish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What really matters is the point."

Hahaha. Oh, that old canard. I'm looking too close at Michael Moore's work. All I see are a thousand little lies. I need to step back and watch them blend into a "greater truth".

But a thousand lies never equal truth. You just happen to agree with his conclusions because you're politically left (I can tell this because 90% of your post is inciting class warfare and whining about capitalism and you see oppression everywhere EXCEPT in socialism/communism) even though none of the reasoning or evidence he uses to get there is solid.

Sorry, but it's not really appropriate for any part of the hospital to be filthy or uncared for, even if the doctors are more likeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What really matters is the point.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hahaha. Oh, that old canard. I&#8217;m looking too close at Michael Moore&#8217;s work. All I see are a thousand little lies. I need to step back and watch them blend into a &#8220;greater truth&#8221;.</p>
<p>But a thousand lies never equal truth. You just happen to agree with his conclusions because you&#8217;re politically left (I can tell this because 90% of your post is inciting class warfare and whining about capitalism and you see oppression everywhere EXCEPT in socialism/communism) even though none of the reasoning or evidence he uses to get there is solid.</p>
<p>Sorry, but it&#8217;s not really appropriate for any part of the hospital to be filthy or uncared for, even if the doctors are more likeable.</p>
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		<title>By: sufehmi</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-100124</link>
		<dc:creator>sufehmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ryosaeba - wah iya, thanks.
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akhir-akhir ini makin banyak spam yang berhasil nembus spam karma 2. Dan dr. dave tidak ada rencana untuk melanjutkannya lagi ya ? :(
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soal kesehatan - indonesia memang edan. Sudah mahal, dan seringkali obat yang diberikan justru bukan solusi.
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Banyak keluarga saya yang sudah beralih ke solusi alami. Misal; untuk diabetes dengan buah mahoni. Darah tinggi dengan belimbing. Dst.
Tapi ini musti hati-hati, karena penipuannya banyak banget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ryosaeba - wah iya, thanks.<br />
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akhir-akhir ini makin banyak spam yang berhasil nembus spam karma 2. Dan dr. dave tidak ada rencana untuk melanjutkannya lagi ya ? <img src='http://harry.sufehmi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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soal kesehatan - indonesia memang edan. Sudah mahal, dan seringkali obat yang diberikan justru bukan solusi.<br />
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Banyak keluarga saya yang sudah beralih ke solusi alami. Misal; untuk diabetes dengan buah mahoni. Darah tinggi dengan belimbing. Dst.<br />
Tapi ini musti hati-hati, karena penipuannya banyak banget.</p>
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		<title>By: ryosaeba</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-100062</link>
		<dc:creator>ryosaeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harry, komentar si thetruth itu spam lho. 

lalu gue baru nonton sicko, dan sepertinya memang indonesia saingan sama amerika soal biaya kesehatan ini. :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>harry, komentar si thetruth itu spam lho. </p>
<p>lalu gue baru nonton sicko, dan sepertinya memang indonesia saingan sama amerika soal biaya kesehatan ini. :))</p>
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		<title>By: sufehmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>sufehmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@colson - indeed, have you read my post about the trillion dollars spent on Iraq? They can use that money to drastically fix their health system instead. 
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Being a crazy cowboy &#038; disillusioned (he thinks &lt;a href="http://www.dubyaspeak.com/theologian.phtml?year=2004"&gt;God speaks through him&lt;/a&gt;, ack), of course Bush didn't do that.
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I found it most interesting that the Scandinavian countries seems to care the most for their citizen's welfare. 
A lot of my colleagues back in the Birmingham City Council does too, but sometimes there were still people up above (and down) blocking them.
In Indonesia, there are less of them, and the opposition are far stronger too. Very sad.
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By the way, I just checked &lt;a href="http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/category/in-english/"&gt;my English posts&lt;/a&gt;, and it seemed that I haven't do that much lately. 
Thanks for the reminder. Although with my current schedule (most of the weekends I work at my client's site, and many times I work through the night, etc) I can't promise anything. But I do intend to carry on with this &lt;a href="http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-11-09-1555/"&gt;bridge blogging&lt;/a&gt; stuff.
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Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@colson - indeed, have you read my post about the trillion dollars spent on Iraq? They can use that money to drastically fix their health system instead.<br />
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Being a crazy cowboy &#038; disillusioned (he thinks <a href="http://www.dubyaspeak.com/theologian.phtml?year=2004">God speaks through him</a>, ack), of course Bush didn&#8217;t do that.<br />
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I found it most interesting that the Scandinavian countries seems to care the most for their citizen&#8217;s welfare.<br />
A lot of my colleagues back in the Birmingham City Council does too, but sometimes there were still people up above (and down) blocking them.<br />
In Indonesia, there are less of them, and the opposition are far stronger too. Very sad.<br />
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By the way, I just checked <a href="http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/category/in-english/">my English posts</a>, and it seemed that I haven&#8217;t do that much lately.<br />
Thanks for the reminder. Although with my current schedule (most of the weekends I work at my client&#8217;s site, and many times I work through the night, etc) I can&#8217;t promise anything. But I do intend to carry on with this <a href="http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-11-09-1555/">bridge blogging</a> stuff.<br />
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Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: colson</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-99866</link>
		<dc:creator>colson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an easy, albeit late one.

Easy because I also think Sicko is smooth craftsmanship as well as investigating journalism. One may say the movie is not quite free of populism, but then is nothing compared to the combined efforts of the Bush regime and the likes of Murdoch.

But what's really important is that Moore shows clearly that the US lacks elementary safeguards for the poor and even for the middle classes. What is possible in GB (although Michael Moore exaggerates the qualities of the National Health Service), in France (although the beauty of the Public Health system is rather less than shown in the picture - and getting  worth by the present Sargozy administration) and, say, Scandinavian countries, should be possible in the US as well.

PS: Being an Bahassa Indonesia illiterate, I'm looking forward to your next post in English. That's why I landed on my first ( and absolutely not the last) visit on this great post dating from mid july last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an easy, albeit late one.</p>
<p>Easy because I also think Sicko is smooth craftsmanship as well as investigating journalism. One may say the movie is not quite free of populism, but then is nothing compared to the combined efforts of the Bush regime and the likes of Murdoch.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s really important is that Moore shows clearly that the US lacks elementary safeguards for the poor and even for the middle classes. What is possible in GB (although Michael Moore exaggerates the qualities of the National Health Service), in France (although the beauty of the Public Health system is rather less than shown in the picture - and getting  worth by the present Sargozy administration) and, say, Scandinavian countries, should be possible in the US as well.</p>
<p>PS: Being an Bahassa Indonesia illiterate, I&#8217;m looking forward to your next post in English. That&#8217;s why I landed on my first ( and absolutely not the last) visit on this great post dating from mid july last year.</p>
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		<title>By: kausarkaizer</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-59483</link>
		<dc:creator>kausarkaizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice. As an Indonesian i'm very pleased with this post about The Movie "Sicko" Mr. Sufehmi. Your English is so fine, Just Keep Up The Good Work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice. As an Indonesian i&#8217;m very pleased with this post about The Movie &#8220;Sicko&#8221; Mr. Sufehmi. Your English is so fine, Just Keep Up The Good Work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: leksa</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-52830</link>
		<dc:creator>leksa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice shoot, Mas..
I never know what the truth behind the SiCKO or any other movie from more. But as a usual citizen, i look Moore have otherside opinion that make sense.

I like him from the "F 9/11". Otherwise, opinion just opinion, we could fight back opinion with some good related opinion also. 

I think JimK know what i mean. JimK and Moore just 2 people that fight for opinion. But Moore look more honest than JimK. But i believe JimK know what the (honest) truth one. I can see from some opinion on his site :)

Fiuhh.. cape make basa Londo...
Om Fehmi penggemar Moore ya? 
Sama dong.
Dah baca ancaman Moore untuk CNN?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice shoot, Mas..<br />
I never know what the truth behind the SiCKO or any other movie from more. But as a usual citizen, i look Moore have otherside opinion that make sense.</p>
<p>I like him from the &#8220;F 9/11&#8243;. Otherwise, opinion just opinion, we could fight back opinion with some good related opinion also. </p>
<p>I think JimK know what i mean. JimK and Moore just 2 people that fight for opinion. But Moore look more honest than JimK. But i believe JimK know what the (honest) truth one. I can see from some opinion on his site <img src='http://harry.sufehmi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Fiuhh.. cape make basa Londo&#8230;<br />
Om Fehmi penggemar Moore ya?<br />
Sama dong.<br />
Dah baca ancaman Moore untuk CNN?</p>
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		<title>By: sufehmi</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-52680</link>
		<dc:creator>sufehmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim - You said &lt;i&gt;We were never going to lose that insurance…&lt;b&gt;just the server&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. Exactly, you kept on saying (including on other posts) that the website is safe, while then you acknowledged several times as well that the server is actually in danger of being decommissioned :
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&lt;blockquote&gt;Of all those things, the most immediate and the easiest to lose (Ed: to offset the financial problems) was the dedicated server.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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I wasn't talking about the insurance fyi. Even though personally I think a premium of US$ 1000 / month is still gonna kill most people's savings, disabling them from doing much of anything else. (especially not such a website as popular as MooreWatch.com).
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Anyway, it is easy to fell into a nationalist' way of thinking, most people have been guilty about it at a time. But we need to realize that we're all the same, human being. Even when we are citizens of different nations &#38; have different governments, we need to look at our interests as a whole.
Then it'll be easier to see the fault of our governments, and start correcting them.
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Of course, once the aliens made their first contact, then we'll need to broaden our interest to include them as well (as dwellers of the same gaalxy? Welcome Star trek federation :) )
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Joking aside, take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim - You said <i>We were never going to lose that insurance…<b>just the server</b></i>. Exactly, you kept on saying (including on other posts) that the website is safe, while then you acknowledged several times as well that the server is actually in danger of being decommissioned :<br />
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<blockquote><p>Of all those things, the most immediate and the easiest to lose (Ed: to offset the financial problems) was the dedicated server.</p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
I wasn&#8217;t talking about the insurance fyi. Even though personally I think a premium of US$ 1000 / month is still gonna kill most people&#8217;s savings, disabling them from doing much of anything else. (especially not such a website as popular as MooreWatch.com).<br />
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Anyway, it is easy to fell into a nationalist&#8217; way of thinking, most people have been guilty about it at a time. But we need to realize that we&#8217;re all the same, human being. Even when we are citizens of different nations &amp; have different governments, we need to look at our interests as a whole.<br />
Then it&#8217;ll be easier to see the fault of our governments, and start correcting them.<br />
.<br />
Of course, once the aliens made their first contact, then we&#8217;ll need to broaden our interest to include them as well (as dwellers of the same gaalxy? Welcome Star trek federation <img src='http://harry.sufehmi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
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Joking aside, take care.</p>
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		<title>By: rd Limosin</title>
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		<dc:creator>rd Limosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>duh, bingung mo komen apa??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>duh, bingung mo komen apa??</p>
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		<title>By: JimK</title>
		<link>http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2007-07-15-1507/#comment-52630</link>
		<dc:creator>JimK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you even know what a contradiction is?  The two statements you quote do not contradict each other, if you bothered to read the posts I made.  The fact that we couldn't afford the insurance was the half-truth.  We were never going to lose that insurance...just the server.  I never claimed otherwise.  You just pulled a Moore yourself.  You took something out of context, misquoted it and then drew a false conclusion.  It's the sneakiest kind of lie.

As for the rest...it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you even know what a contradiction is?  The two statements you quote do not contradict each other, if you bothered to read the posts I made.  The fact that we couldn&#8217;t afford the insurance was the half-truth.  We were never going to lose that insurance&#8230;just the server.  I never claimed otherwise.  You just pulled a Moore yourself.  You took something out of context, misquoted it and then drew a false conclusion.  It&#8217;s the sneakiest kind of lie.</p>
<p>As for the rest&#8230;it&#8217;s your opinion and you&#8217;re entitled to it.</p>
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