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Jumat Pagi Bersama Ulil

Siapa yang tidak kenal dengan Ulil Abshar Abdalla ? Salah satu tokoh JIL ini sudah dikenal karena berbagai kegiatan & pernyataannya. Selain di media konvensional, saat ini Ulil juga cukup aktif di Internet, termasuk di berbagai situs social media.

Suatu hari saya membaca tweet berikut ini dari account Ulil :

Ulil: If Muslim dictators kill their people, Muslim tend to shut up. When the world tries to stop them kill, they shout: INTERVENTION! Gosh!

Saat itu adalah pagi hari Jumat, 25 Maret 2011. Suasananya adem & tenang, jadi menggugah saya untuk mendiskusikan pendapat tersebut diatas.
Ketika itu saya kira balasan saya tidak akan ditanggapi oleh Ulil, tapi tidak apa, yang penting saya sudah menyampaikan pendapat saya. Yaitu :

Saya: Sejahat2nya Saddam, dia tidak spt GW Bush yg bantai ratusan ribu orang & bikin jutaan lainnya jadi pengungsi. Hm ? Gosh !

(http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51059424663584768)

Saya: Intervensi langgar konsep kedaulatan / sovereignty. People have the right to sort out their own problems. Gosh !

(http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51060190732230656)

Lalu saya melanjutkan rutinitas pagi saya dengan santai, dan bersiap-siap untuk sarapan…. ketika kemudian saya sadar bahwa ternyata tweet saya dibalas oleh Ulil ! Ups 🙂

Ulil: But yes, you’re right, Muslim suffer from amnesia a lot. When Muslim dictators killed their people, they tend to shut up!

(http://twitter.com/#!/ulil/status/51066382632230912)

Pagi hari Jumat itu tiba-tiba menjadi jauh lebih menarik 🙂

Selama beberapa jam setelah itu, kami saling kirim mengirim tweet. Sampai saya luput sarapan 😀 dan terpaksa minta izin pamit dulu kepada Ulil :

Saya: Yeah, but you have had your muffin, and I haven’t mine (breakfast). Slow down ! 😀

(http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51085648727257089)

Diskusi saling tukar pikiran kemudian terus berlanjut kembali dengan seru, sampai akhirnya kami sepakat untuk saling tidak setuju (agree to disagree) 🙂
No problem, tiap orang punya hak untuk punya pemikirannya sendiri-sendiri.

Terlampir adalah beberapa kutipan diskusi tersebut.
Selamat menikmati….


Ulil : If Muslim dictators kill their people, Muslim tend to shut up. When the world tries to stop them kill, they shout: INTERVENTION! Gosh!

Saya : Intervensi langgar konsep kedaulatan / sovereignty. People have the right to sort out their own problems. Gosh !

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51060190732230656


Ulil : If Muslim dictators kill their people, Muslim tend to shut up. When the world tries to stop them kill, they shout: INTERVENTION! Gosh!

Saya : http://www.crethiplethi.com/islamic-union-students-protest-massacre-of-libyans-by-gaddafi-regime/islamic-countries/iran-islamic-countries/2011/

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51075936921206784


Ulil : most people killed after the US invasion of Iraq was caused by civil war between warring groups of Syiah and Sunni.

Saya : Which would not happen if Saddam was not removed by USA, right ? Gosh !

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51070936765579264


Ulil : Who says sovereingty is a sacred principle? It’s just a modern myth. It becomes a pretext used by dictators to kill their people!

Saya : Then why bother with countries at all ? Let’s invade everyone & create Earth nation ! That’s what Nazi tried anyway.

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51075445055172608


Ulil : Who say Arab can take care of their own problem? Is sending troops by Saudis to Bahrain to kill protestors part of that care?

Saya : Don’t tell me you forgot about Egypt already 🙂 And Tunisia.

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51074644026998784


Ulil – Intervention is not ideal, but less evil than letting dictators killing their people or other kind of atrocities!

Saya : And who are you to #judge other people’s affairs? Principles, like sovereignty, are there for good reason.

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51074205999050752


Ulil : No, Saddam invaded Kuwait without approval of anyone. It was only him going mad and delusional!

Saya : WikiLeaks begs to differ with you:
http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/us-asked-saddam-to-invade-kuwaitwiki-leaks/

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51073932345876480


Ulil : First of all, Saddam invaded his neighbor, Kuwait. Forgot this? Second, he killed his own people for years. Forgot this too?

Saya : Kuwait was invaded under approval of USA. Forgot this?

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51070300678393856


Ulil : First of all, Saddam invaded his neighbor, Kuwait. Forgot this? Second, he killed his own people for years. Forgot this too?

Saya : USA should have principles like the “Prime Directive”. Arabs now have proven that they can take care their OWN problems, right ?

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51071240332509184

Prime Directive :

The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous.” — Jean-Luc Picard


Ulil : US is not an angel but it’s the only country that has the best military prowess today. And that entails responsibility.

Saya : And have they acted responsibly? So far, the Palestinians would say no.

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51081070107561984


Ulil : Palestine problem needs separate discussion. Don’t lump everything in one basket!

Saya : Nope, it’s an excellent example of how USA does #not wield their power responsibly, but by using #DoubleStandards instead.

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51082583580213248


Ulil : All counries practice double standard, not only the US. Even Muslims use double or even multiple standards too in judging events.

Saya : That’s no justification to make it (#DoubleStandard) right 🙂

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51083659968643072


Ulil : You haven’t said your words about what’s the best way to stop genocide. Is intevention is not justified at all in such situation?

Saya : Only on #true cases of genocide, example: Nazi vs Jews. Intervention should be an #exception not the norm !

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51084317903953920

Genocide :
any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


Ulil : And what’s that other country with no big business interest behind it that have military ability and willingness to stop atrocities?

Saya : I thought that’s what The UN are for ? (but first we need to wean them off USA’s money though)

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51089016136802304


Ulil : What if UN, due to its lack of capability, is unable to fulfill its mission to protect lives of people from their dictators?

Saya : Then its lack of capability is our fault, and we must rectify that – empower The UN more 🙂

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51098199636717568


Ulil : Yes, because US has big power, it has big responsibility to stop atrocities in Libya. Right? Who else will be able to do?

Saya : Someone else with no Halliburton/Exxon/etc piggy-backing them, preferably 🙂

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51085242269843456


Ulil : And what’s that other country with no big business interest behind it that have military ability and willingness to stop atrocities?

Saya : In case of inter-national affair, The UN is the #democratic institution which has most right to take on issues on this level.

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51098930636800000


Ulil : Killing in Libya cannot wait for the fix of UN. The moral responsibility lies now on countries with best military power.

Saya : You believe on getting to the end, no matter how / the means. That’s fine. I believe in the process.

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51104189643898881


Ulil : Anyway, I agree with coalition’s attack to stop Qadhafie from killing his own people. You may have diff. oponion, and that’s OKAY.

Saya : I fully agree as well that you full right to have your own opinions. Thanks.

http://twitter.com/#!/hsuf/status/51081279692738560

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